well sorted it,i found the dcim folder on the usb with explorer,now got the pics from it,it cost £7.50 from ebay with case,my other camera is a sony,its rather bulky tho,the cmedia is pocket size and takes half decent pics,i had an old 1.3mp camedia years ago,thought i would upgrade to a vivitar 6mp camera,it was crap,i think a lot of times the optics are more important than the mp count!,the olympus seem to have good optics imho.