Counterpoint: US smartphone sales keep declining, Apple still comfortably on top
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- Sabuj
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- 12 May 2024
Carok, 10 May 2024You do not need a good device to become apple, you need to ... moreTotally agree with you.
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- Anonymous
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- 11 May 2024
Anonymous, 10 May 2024The threat of being banned if they tried doing business in ... moreTiktok still works here.
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- OSasmatteroffact
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- 11 May 2024
Anonymous, 10 May 2024Yikes. Pipe down on the Hollywood, son. The China that you ... moreWhy would I want to live in south korea? But I know you are dictated if you live in north korea
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- 11 May 2024
potato4k, 11 May 2024False. Motorola (Lenovo) and OnePlus existed in the US as w... more30+20 = 50%, so the other 50% are basically chinese phones, and let's not forget Singapore is a rich country.
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- 11 May 2024
potato4k, 11 May 2024False. Motorola (Lenovo) and OnePlus existed in the US as w... moreSingapore also has over 20% of "unknown phones", which is kind of weird. Not other brands, but unknown phones.
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- 11 May 2024
loko, 10 May 2024apple is only dominant because of the android shadow ban in... moreFalse. Motorola (Lenovo) and OnePlus existed in the US as well.
Take Singapore. All the Chinese brands existed there. Guess the top brands, Apple (30%) and Samsung (20%). Xiaomi, OPPO, etc are only single digit marketshare.
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- taurus-555
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- 10 May 2024
the US is a lost cause...they buy anything from apple...literally anything
remember its the same country that has kardashians as models LOL
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- Anonymous
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- 10 May 2024
Even if all people buy iPhone in my city. Me? Never ever. Only Samsung. Phones are for enjoying and not for status symbol.
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- 10 May 2024
OSasmatteroffact, 10 May 2024Well as if zte was a business leader, they didnt even do th... moreThe ban is not about phones. It's about 5G infrastructure. Huawei and ZTE were competing (and winning) with the western companies like Ericsson and Cisco. Many Asian and EU countries were going to contract Huawei or ZTE for their 5G infrastructure. US didn't like that, hence the ban. Huawei got severely affected because other tech companies were banned to do business with Huawei, including Google and Qualcomm. As such, their phone business got affected.
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- 10 May 2024
OSasmatteroffact, 10 May 2024Well as if zte was a business leader, they didnt even do th... moreYikes. Pipe down on the Hollywood, son. The China that you see in there ain't the same as the real thing. And did you even live for at least a few years in South Korea? Their security measures and way of life there will make an average westerner thinks he lives in the gulag lmao.
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- 10 May 2024
xcv, 10 May 2024Exynos is not banned in USA as Google use semi-custom Exyno... moreIs it cheaper to pay for whatever patents or buy Qualcomm processors and develop 2 variants of the same model when they can just use Exynos? Samsung wouldn't be buying and using Qualcomm processors unless they were forced to.
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- 10 May 2024
MasEnha, 10 May 2024What I mean by business leader is the domination in phone m... moreExynos is not banned in USA as Google use semi-custom Exynos SoCs and modems. It's just that Samsung refuses to pay Qualcomm patents related to US networks, and Google pay. Even Apple pay patents to Qualcomm and use their modems.
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- 10 May 2024
loko, 10 May 2024"Apple comfortably on top. " Well no shit - ca... moreSo, to understand,for you huawewi is 90% of what's good in android? Get over it man, huawawei had their chance to prove they are not who tehy are, well, they could not prove it, because they are, and they intention was no better then apples.... the difference? Well apple is USA based and even so, they have been more then once fined with huge amont of money. If you can't fine a bully you ban it.
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- 10 May 2024
You do not need a good device to become apple, you need to be greedy and invest a lot in marketing, spreading lies about other tech and obnoxiously stepping on small businesses. Apple was 3 times in front of bankruptcy and learned nothing from it, microsoft saving them each time from it, (not out of microsoft goodness but out of circumventing monopoly). Yet i still find microsoft to be less garbage then apple. Apple just showed who they really are when they get in power, sad outcome. Not everybody is made for leading, and apple is definetly not the leading type, more like that dictator that smiles while stealing your tech and take your business to the grave. They never innovated and always waited for other to do it, so they can take it. Never took risks, never did nothing impresive. They never lead the tech, they lead the sales, a multimillionare bully ah.
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- MasEnha
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- 10 May 2024
OSasmatteroffact, 10 May 2024Well as if zte was a business leader, they didnt even do th... moreWhat I mean by business leader is the domination in phone market. Huawei was forecasted like that in 2019. If the spying is no big deal, why US make exception for Huawei without hard-proof. I suspect, exynos was prohibited with similar reason.
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- 10 May 2024
MasEnha, 10 May 2024Nope, unlike Huawei, Oppo never forecasted as business lead... moreWell as if zte was a business leader, they didnt even do that well in phone business and they only managed with router anyway yet they got banned regardless
And but of course, especially google theres no way it doesnt spying on people especially android user with its tons of bloatware from google
But lets not forget, even facebook blatantly proven to spied on its user data and even sold them and they feign ignorance
And of course the chinese arent exception since even their government controlling everything its subject doing
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- 10 May 2024
OSasmatteroffact, 10 May 2024You all blame on the US ban when chinese phones plummeted b... moreNope, unlike Huawei, Oppo never forecasted as business leader. Huawei banned for spying suspect with no hard proof. I believe Snapdragon, Windows, Google and Apple may spying us everywhete and every seconds they want.
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- 10 May 2024
Aierlan, 10 May 2024Most didn't do business there when there was no threat... moreIt's not that there is no money to be made in the US, it's that Americans buy all their phones on carrier contracts so you need carriers to stock your phones. Huawei was able to get carrier contracts for their phones until the US banned carriers from selling Huawei phones. Without carrier contracts, it is very difficult to break into the US market and the US government can at any time step in and ban carriers from stocking your phones. No Chinese vendor is going to negotiate with US carriers if they'll just end up getting banned from selling their phones.
OnePlus is a tiny brand with miniscule market share. If Oppo, Vivo or Xiaomi started selling phones in the US, expect them to be banned by the US for threatening iPhone market share.
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- Aierlan
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- 10 May 2024
loko, 10 May 2024apple is only dominant because of the android shadow ban in... moreDon't know what you mean by the shadow ban. Oneplus/Oppo is there but not doing very well. If Oneplus/Oppo can sell there, then there is nothing stopping most other Chinese brands except Huawei of course. The US market is just not worth it for them as they also have the headache of dealing with carriers. Asian markets are larger and have less entry barriers so they make more commercial sense
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- 10 May 2024
You all blame on the US ban when chinese phones plummeted but you all forgot that the likes of oppo was banned in europe because they violated patent rights of nokia